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we'd jam the economy into a devastating recession. i mean, david said it well in his piece this morning. if you think the fiscal cliff is a problem, this kind of hostage taking around the debt ceiling is multiples of that and the president is, i think, very correct to stand extremely firm and be extremely clear that he's not going to play that game. >> karen, the politics of this are frightening for the republicans. the latest polling does not support their stance. and given that they spent four years obstructing this president and failed, why do it again from the outset of his second term? >> well, you know, there's good news for the republicans, martin. karl rove's group, crossroads gps is going to spend some money for some ads, and we know that's a successful strategy in convincing the american people. >> that's good news. >> i can't pass that chance up to do that. >> i understand. >> i think part of what's so important about the polling, we talked about this on monday and the quinnipiac polling you were showing, the republicans ha
we'd jam the economy into a devastating recession. i mean, david said it well in his piece this morning. if you think the fiscal cliff is a problem, this kind of hostage taking around the debt ceiling is multiples of that and the president is, i think, very correct to stand extremely firm and be extremely clear that he's not going to play that game. >> karen, the politics of this are frightening for the republicans. the latest polling does not support their stance. and given that they...
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>> they're being given a choice between an economy which has been fantastic for them. labor has done really badly. they're saying, the current situation is great for us. but now we have two choices, between great and even better. are and given the choice, they'll take even better. >> and you talk about liberal pieties or whatever, the hatred of unions. i think that people underestimate, don't get -- and i've encountered this in my reporting, how visceral, almost dogmatic, almost religious and ideological, how fervently that belief is and how common that is among people who make a ton of money. >> it's one of the few times that you find a vague semblance of ideology in these people. because they're very practical, most of the time. whatever works in terms of making money is what they'll all choose. but you're right, sometimes even when you show them the numbers and say, listen, recognizing unions, you can be more profitable overall, they don't like that. >> felix salmon, reuters finance blogger, who will be live blogging in january, you should check that out, thanks for
>> they're being given a choice between an economy which has been fantastic for them. labor has done really badly. they're saying, the current situation is great for us. but now we have two choices, between great and even better. are and given the choice, they'll take even better. >> and you talk about liberal pieties or whatever, the hatred of unions. i think that people underestimate, don't get -- and i've encountered this in my reporting, how visceral, almost dogmatic, almost...
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the economy's growing two percentage points. subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we see there's no agreement that done involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember it's only 2%. >> former senator alan simpson, co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, choice words and analysis for would-be cliff jumpers. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, wealthy it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betti
the economy's growing two percentage points. subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the...
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i do believe that this economy will continue to thrive, this economy will continue to move forward. i don't believe that we're going to go into a huge, deep recession again if these bush tax cuts expire. i do believe that you can strengthen the economy if you let everything go off the cliff and come back and put in front of the american people and do a better job for the economy. there's up side either way you go. the president has got boehner in an untenable position. he doesn't have very many avenues to a victory right now but he's got a good escape, thomas. all john boehner has to do to exit out of this quickly is to say he won the election, we didn't, the american people in every survey say this is where we're going to go, we're going to go along with the wishes of the american people and the republicans would get goodwill for doing that. they have to get out of this ideological headrow that they're stuck in and do something for the company. >> the polls give them plausible acceptability of this plan of trying to move forward and, as you say, with the will of the american people
i do believe that this economy will continue to thrive, this economy will continue to move forward. i don't believe that we're going to go into a huge, deep recession again if these bush tax cuts expire. i do believe that you can strengthen the economy if you let everything go off the cliff and come back and put in front of the american people and do a better job for the economy. there's up side either way you go. the president has got boehner in an untenable position. he doesn't have very many...
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do you need to get this deal in a position that we'll get this country back on track and cause our economy to get back on track? the good news is, if we can do a deal on the budget by compromising and coming together, then we can go after immigration and infrastructure and energy and education. the things that are still on the agenda that are crucial to moving this country forward. you know, as important as the debt bill is, it still isn't going to create jobs in the short term. you've got to do energy. we've got to do infrastructure. we've certainly got to do immigration. we owe that to the american people and to those children. there's so many things that we've got to do that if we can do this successfully and get it done and see the economy take off and an investment come into this country, then we go after the other four challenges and if we can do all those, he'll be an incredibly successful president and i think congress' approval rating will begin to rise again. >> joan, it still seems that some of the tea party types, including senator demint still thinks it was the messaging, not
do you need to get this deal in a position that we'll get this country back on track and cause our economy to get back on track? the good news is, if we can do a deal on the budget by compromising and coming together, then we can go after immigration and infrastructure and energy and education. the things that are still on the agenda that are crucial to moving this country forward. you know, as important as the debt bill is, it still isn't going to create jobs in the short term. you've got to...
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. >> nice little economy you have there. nice little economy you have there. it would be a shame it if anything happened to it. that's not a threat. look, we have to start looking at what happens if we do, in fact, go over the so-called cliff, and what happens is, you know, one thing is we take a huge bite out of the deficit. we do it in a crude may, and there would be immediate attempts to fix it and fine-tune it and take some back. some would probably get through. if you actually want to look at it from a policy standpoint, it may not be the worst possible option to just go over the cliff and then put back in the tax cuts and the spending increases or renewals that you'd like to put back in. so, you know, worst things could happen. >> well, listen, alan simpson and i go back to his sound from the "today" show, eugene. he said anyone talking about it in that way, there's stupidity involved. he didn't say, eugene, you better not because you're my buddy, but the reality is even our first read team says this notion or all of this media hype about going off the c
. >> nice little economy you have there. nice little economy you have there. it would be a shame it if anything happened to it. that's not a threat. look, we have to start looking at what happens if we do, in fact, go over the so-called cliff, and what happens is, you know, one thing is we take a huge bite out of the deficit. we do it in a crude may, and there would be immediate attempts to fix it and fine-tune it and take some back. some would probably get through. if you actually want...
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not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> well, i agree. i guess i don't know if you have a group of people basically saying this is what we're going to do, this is it, this is as far as we're going -- >> the republicans have to meet in the middle. >> you just have to get it done in a graceful way and not just hammer them. >> when we come back there are more than 7 billion people on this planet and "forbes" magazine has compiled a new list of the most powerful people who truly run the world. we'll go through this year's top power players with "forbes" editor randall lane. also joining us editor of "national memo" joe connison. >> the least powerful man even in his own household. >> bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> very strong and strapping. >> yeah right. not alone there in the household thing. good morning everyone. the lack of snow is really starting to creep into everyone's foremind. we are watching for the most part one of the least coverage of snow across the country we've seen for this time of year. let me show you the map
not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> well, i agree. i guess i don't know if you have a group of people basically saying this is what we're going to do, this is it, this is as far as we're going -- >> the republicans have to meet in the middle. >> you just have to get it done in a graceful way and not just hammer them. >> when we come back there are more than 7 billion people on this planet and "forbes" magazine has compiled a new list of...